Wednesday, February 2, 2011

Zeitgeist Filmul

Exista o productie foarte apreciata si cautata printre care se cred intelepti si considera ca ei "gandesc". Multi il recomanda dupa ce l-au vazut("Va zgudui din temelii tot ce stiati pana acum" si "Nerecomandat persoanelor religioase") si multi zic "M-a pus pe ganduri...".
Oamenii sunt foarte multumiti cand afla despre religie ca merita aruncata la cosul de gunoi, si ca tot ce inseamna guvernare, banci si altele de genul acesta, sunt facute doar pentru a subjuga marea masa a oamenilor comuni. Totul este o conspiratie. Si cum "Veti cunoaste adevarul si adevarul va va face liberi", e o mare eliberare sa stii asta.

Zeitgeist, asa cum mentioneaza si articolul dedicat de pe wikipedia, face N afirmatii fara a le dovedi, altele neverificabile, si este amplu criticat de cei avizati, pe diferite canale de comunicatie.
L-am vazut pe primul dintre ele acum vreo 2-3 ani; acum a aparut al treilea.
Eu nu sunt un cunoscator in materie de finante/circuitul banilor in natura, dar haideti sa va arat ca orice bolovan poate sa realizeze(daca si are bunavointa) ca filmul este un bullshit-o aiureala.
De exemplu, se face afirmatia ca nu ar trebui sa se plateasca taxe la stat.
Pai daca nimeni nu plateste taxe, nu am avea stat: cine sa plateasca gunoierii, judecatorii, administratia centrala? Cine sa plateasca granicerii? Cine sa plateasca politia? Sau ei se vad in o lume imaginara perfecta in care toti oamenii sunt buni, nimeni nu incalca bunul-simt(ca legi nu ar exista - cine sa le faca) si toti sunt de acord asupra standardelor - nescrise? Sau ei cred ca vor fi unii care sa faca astea pe baza de voluntariat? Da, eventual facem niste donatii, ca sa isi intretina familia. Wake up, care e diferenta?
Stiti cum e? Daca un om vine la tine si spune aseara l-a vazut pe Mos Craciun cum a coborat pe horn si i-a adus cadouri baietelului lui de 4 ani, dupa care a plecat zburand cu trasura propulsata de reni, dupa care imi spune el sigur ca peste trei ani Euro va fi 8 RON, tu ce faci? Vinzi casa si o transformi in Euro? Trebuie sa fii nebun.
Asa si cu filmusorul asta. Daca face o greseala colosala, nu merita sa ii acorzi credit in lucruri pe care nu le cunosti.

Cat despre partea cu religia, ma pot da cunoscator si sa va spun ca ABEREAZA. Habar nu au despre crestinism, care are ca sursa iudaismul. Fac legaturi care nu exista si trag concluzii care se bat cap in cap cu ce afirma biblia si dovezile istorice.
Ca o paranteza, cu o sa apar niciodata catolicismul. A facut gafe imense. Si va spun sigur, nu se bazau pe Biblie. Erau departe de ea.

Revenind la film, pe mine nu m-a zdruncinat, nu-mi venea sa cred cat de rau-voitori sunt si cum dezinformeaza direct folosindu-se de chestiuni necunoscute publicului larg. Inchei cu cateva citate de pe wikipedia:
"the use of unreferenced and undated assertions, and standard film-making propaganda techniques."
"Thus legitimate questions about what happened on 9/11, and about corruption in religious and financial organizations, are all undermined by the film’s determined effort to maximize an emotional response at the expense of reasoned argument."
Si cateva observatii despre erori fatise din partea intai(cea cu religia):
"Examining some of the specific claims made by the film, Forbes points out that while there are parallels between the story of Jesus and many ancient mythological figures, many of the ones mentioned in the film are false, as are other aspects of the film's description of these myths. Forbes states that there is no evidence in Egyptian sources that Horus' mother Isis was a virgin, and says that Ra was the Egyptian god of the sun, not Horus. Similarly, neither Krishna nor Dionysus nor Attis were ever said to be born of virgins, as Krishna was the eighth child of his parents, Devaki and Vasudeva, and Dionysus' mother, Semele, had slept with Zeus. Forbes asserts that Horus was not adored by three kings, and that neither he nor Attis were crucified nor resurrected. Forbes and interviewer John Dickson, founder of the Centre for Public Christianity, took issue with what they perceived as an argument centered on the homophony between the words "Sun" and "Son" in regards to Jesus, with Forbes dismissing this point as a pun, and pointing out that those words are not homophonic in ancient Egyptian, Latin or Greek. Forbes also points out that neither Horus, Attis nor Jesus were born on December 25, as the ancient Egyptian calendar did not include the month of December found in the Latin calendar, and that the date of Christmas is a celebratory tradition historically derived from Sol Invictus and Saturnalia, rather than the Bible.[28]
Forbes also criticizes the movie's use of Roman sources to suggest that Jesus did not exist, noting that the list of supposed contemporaneous historians alleged by the film to have not mentioned Jesus is actually a list of geographers, literature professors, poets, philosophers and writers on farming or gardening, who would not be expected to mention him, and that the modern sources cited in the film are either experts in fields other than ancient history, such as German literature, or uncredentialed amateur Egyptologists. Forbes challenges the film's allegation that Josephus' mention of Jesus was doctored by pointing out that Josephus actually mentions Jesus twice, and that only one of these mentions is believed by scholars to have been doctored in the Middle Ages, in order to change an already existing mention of him (see Testimonium Flavianum). Forbes also argues that while Emperor Constantine I legalized Christianity, it was Theodosius I who made it compulsory later in the 4th century, and that contrary to the film's thesis, Constantine did not invent the historical Jesus, as early records show that his historicity was already a key element of early Christianity prior to Constantine's conversion to it."

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